tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-794143491110639060.post7428005216465988485..comments2014-10-24T23:24:46.353-07:00Comments on Watchman of Six: What's your vision of a Church?The Watchmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03492348527428885837noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-794143491110639060.post-42494702957940551612008-10-12T05:41:00.000-07:002008-10-12T05:41:00.000-07:00http://annaskewbaptist.blogspot.com/2008/10/wrong-...http://annaskewbaptist.blogspot.com/2008/10/wrong-view.html<BR/><BR/>This is a very good post about the same topic in a since.The Watchmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03492348527428885837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-794143491110639060.post-77189333592912695152008-10-10T23:04:00.000-07:002008-10-10T23:04:00.000-07:00you couldn't have said it better in many ways. Bro...you couldn't have said it better in many ways. Bro, have you started reading your bible again? Yes you have. No on a serious note, i do believe that if the masses are doing it or that it appeals to the masses then, Biblically its just got to be flawed or wrong. The reason the friend can't see this working is that it doesn't the system. instead of fundamentally changing the way the church is structured it is not going to work. it can't, just like you said (which was really good), "I think a church should be family oriented, not family friendly, and definitely not business oriented." how perfect is that. Subtlety. that statement is way bigger than this whole post. so much there. but again, how do you do it. i think you have to, and i mean, really mean have to, start from scratch. Unless you have an odd vision change of over 250 people at one church, its not going to change. so i think that we should look at it from a foundational point of view and not from a change the vision point of view. you cant add this, it has to be founded on it. More laterkjvbaptisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04611386543745240027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-794143491110639060.post-36678350402507677382008-10-10T20:43:00.000-07:002008-10-10T20:43:00.000-07:00Here is an extreme example: I grew up in the roman...Here is an extreme example: I grew up in the roman catholic church and it seemed as such a separation when we went in there and saw how others played righteous people and then went home after an hour and the same people were coming home drunk the next afternoon beating up their wife etc. but as long as they came back the next Sunday dressed up everything was ok. There was no "follow up" - besides the one caroling visit around Christmas time. Where people cleaned their homes for hours before the priest came over. All about appearances. I recently found a church where I can say i felt at home from the moment I entered it. People greeting others at the door with a warm embrace, I felt the presence of the holy ghost when we worshiped, The message unchanged but delivered in a way that everyone who wanted to understand understood. I got a card thanking me for coming to worship with them! The warmth of the people did not come from "we want a new member in our club" but from genuine christian love. I have never been to a church like that before. They stand together in the community to put an end to abortion, they had a fall kick off with hayrides for the kids etc. they have a man's breakfast and so on and so on. And as far as the financial part goes I believe that god opens doors for those who do his work. The offering there is taking mostly at the altar. I have been there since 6 weeks or so and saw more people saved and financial miracles happen then in my entire life before. However there are churches out there who say " come in and leave your money, we have everything here you need" - but the lord is missing. So I agree with you without genuine fellowship there is this kind of mechanic, robot like behavior. I saw it first hand. God bless and I look forward to see you guys soon!Martina S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13218845936441139552noreply@blogger.com